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thank God. I wonder what God has in store for Egypt...I know all things work together for the good of those who love God...but I'm still nervous...If the MB really do take over...but Mubarak is certainly just as useless.
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[quote author=TITL link=topic=10572.msg128788#msg128788 date=1296267556] Boy, am I confused! So, who is Elbarad3i? [/quote] El barad3i is someone who announced that he wants to run against Mubarak in the 2011 presidential elections last year. The…
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[quote author=Stavro link=topic=10566.msg128586#msg128586 date=1296163763] Overturning Mubarak's regime is disastrous for the Copts. The only power who are organized and who practically own every aspect of Egyptian life are the Islamic Brotherhood. …
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News update: so alot of ppl have gone to talk to HH, and they want to participate in the protests. So HH has allowed them to go, but he's cautioned them not to destroy property, etc. basically, to act like Christians if they're going to participate.…
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As for the protests. Baba SHenouda has refused to allow copts to participate. The protests are actually suposedly engenereed by a member of the muslim brotherhood in the united states who's got issues with the interior minister in Egypt, habib el 3a…
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I don't know about Egypt's current government issues. since they still try to pretend mubarak is the greatest thing ever, but we do know something big is going to happen soon. when abouna makary visited the united states he told us that there were s…
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you know, paintings are getting even more modernized than that. The naturalized images of St. Mina and St. George are actually getting pretty old. have you seen the even newer things? like the one of Christ looking upon the earth? I have that one in…
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I'm sorry, but the screens don't cover any of the paintings in my church. They are directly on the wall. Thats a stupid argument against screen. Just move them. If your church isn't big enough, well then thats not my fault.
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and what about the pictures of St. Mina and St. George? has anyone seen pictures of them NOT naturalized?
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[quote author=dzheremi link=topic=10553.msg128438#msg128438 date=1296089632] I hope the church I end up in won't have screens. I've seen them in some YT videos of Coptic liturgy. They seem like a distraction, and a very easy way to not learn the res…
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[quote author=Father Peter link=topic=10539.msg128357#msg128357 date=1296071066] The Coptic Church was not unaware of Western art, it chose not to allow it a place in the Church. It is only in the 19th century that changes. [/quote] I don't think…
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Most Coptic churches have pews. I don't know when this began to be he norm. To find a church without pews you have to go old churches in cairo. We have a small chapel built in my church and it doesn't have pews, but they did move some chairs in ther…
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I know that when you go visit the underground churches in Old Egypt, and some of the old churches in the monasteries, there are no pews at all. I thought it kinda strange actually. Coptic churches are segregated too. thats different from churches a…
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Ok, so I searched bayzintinan art and got some of the painings from Hagia Sophia. They were really flat too. I want to know whats with this flat thing in iconography? why do we do it? what's it's purpose?
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[quote author=Father Peter link=topic=10539.msg128304#msg128304 date=1296042964] The Eastern Orthodox have been busy removing Western naturalised religious art from their Churches as they also understand that Orthodoxy rejects it as a means of icon…
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[quote author=ilovesaintmark link=topic=10539.msg128301#msg128301 date=1296040027] I think they should be banned, simply because they are not icons. An icon is a "window into heaven". These western images are a "window into an artist's life experi…
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=10539.msg128296#msg128296 date=1296032554] DEar epiphania, Appreciating the logic and workmanship of others doesn't really compel us to include them in our church. I know there are many arguments posted, but for me …
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Again, my argument stands. The byzantinian church have always used the more naturalized images. Does that make them unorthodox? Sure we have our own style and heritage and that's all great. But the other images have a strength too. To ban them from …
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[quote author=copticuser20 link=topic=10539.msg128198#msg128198 date=1296000393] sorry for putting wrong information up... They are Westernised, based on non-Christian ideas of what art should look like. This is the problem. It is not a matter of w…
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[quote author=dzheremi link=topic=10538.msg128191#msg128191 date=1295999447] [quote author=epiphania link=topic=10538.msg128184#msg128184 date=1295998871] [quote author=christ_rose link=topic=10538.msg128169#msg128169 date=1295997164] in our church…
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umm, we fr. Peter, as I can't think of a downside to sunday school right now, I'll just move on. is sunday school and theological college fair to compare? I'm kinda just throwing that out there because when I was told that people opposed the sunda…
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[quote author=christ_rose link=topic=10538.msg128169#msg128169 date=1295997164] in our church we use the word ALLAH alot do we not?? how surprised would you be if i told you that allah is not god but a muslim god and a word used for satan?? well it…
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[quote author=Father Peter link=topic=10539.msg128168#msg128168 date=1295996891] I would suggest, epiphania, that with an interest in art you should really study the meaning and history of iconography. I think you would find it interesting. I would…
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Christ_rose, let me see if I can clear things up for you. This is not a manifestation of the closed-minded egyptians, because as you can see, many of the people holding the pro-orthodox music position, aren't Egyptian, and actually come from protest…
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I guess it has to do with how aesthetically pleasing the images are. I am personally really into art and I love to draw. I can't say I'm a big fan of Coptic art though. It's strength lies in that our icons tell a story. Like if you look at the copti…
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While I agree that non-orthodox songs do not belong in orthodox churches, liturgy, sunday school, or otherwise, we should recognize that we do live in protestant-majority society. The English songs are just protestant. I don't know of any Coptic son…
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I've been thinking about this for the last couple of days. If the BOC is part of the COC, then do you have exactly the same rituals as us? for example, is mass still 2-3 hours? do you use all the same hymns, just English in instead of Coptic? Some o…
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We're giving the Egyptian courts too much credit. Of course they sentence the guy to death. The alexandria bombing recieved world wide coverage. Immigrant copts have put alot of pressure on their governments to do something, and even the vatican pop…
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wow, I never knew that people from outside the Coptic church actually join it! you're the first I've "met" Fr. Peter. I've heard lots of muslim convert stories to the Coptic church, but not ones from other christian backgrounds! It makes me wonder a…
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I remember as a child in Egypt, memorization was huge. My grandmother would sit and say the psalms and prayers, and we'd repeat after her. Since she taught us them in arabic and to this day, I pray the psalms she taught me in arabic. She starting te…