Imikhail posted this:
St. Irenaeus Commentary on Isaiah 66:7,
"where the prophet foretells a remarkable repopulation of Jerusalem through Mother Zion and interprets it as spoken of the Virgin Mary who gave birth to a man child in unique fashion, wi…
Wow. This is fascinating! I noticed there are several differences between the english translation and the original coptic. Maybe someone well skilled in Coptic can re-translate the entire psalmodia :)
I am still a little confused though since I ask…
Rem,
I did not take your post as an attack. Looking back at my post, it seems I may have used a tone that could have come off that way. Anyway, I just wanted to give attention to what you wrote.
You said: "It is easy to say that "we must say at l…
Imikhail,
I don't think any of us has the right to decide what is appropriate to say and what is not (once all hymns of the rite have been exhausted). This matter should be brought up to the clergy like the priest or bishop if he is running the dio…
imikhail,
As I mentioned already (previously in this forum), I think there is more than enough in the rite (unless you are praying in a cathedral) to sustain the length of communion time. Consider the following:
Psalm 150 long (Ibrahim ayad's vers…
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The questions is what should the deacons pray once the rite has been done? I mean once we pray all the distribution hymns of the occasion, i.e kiahk? Is it wrong to pray wi…
Ramez,
I understand where you are coming from. My point of view is this (I will make this short):
Consider the Liturgy of the Believers. The entire set of prayers is directed towards God in a direct way. Even the commemoration of the saints is pr…
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Let me try a different approach. Instead of hymns, let's compare linguistics. There are some churches where the priest insists on saying the Lord's prayer only in Coptic. N…
Rem,
I think there needs to be a middleground. Despite the fact that people are unaware of these hymns does not mean we should withhold them from any possible benefit they may recieve from them (whether it be spiritual, theological, or even musical…
I second JG!
I also want to add that there is specific melody for the distribution which can be found on this site. I do find it hard to believe that you will find time to say more. Just consider the following order:
Psalm 150 long
Psalm 150 short…
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Dear remenkimi,
these were just made up expressions I came out with
dear Amoussa01,
One of the reasons I was disappointed is because of you. I highly respect you as a perso…
I personally have met a few people who have left the church because they cannot stand to pray in a language that they do not understand. I cannot fault them for that. Our church should not allow a language barrier come between its worshippers; and I…
I think that expecting people to learn a language just so they can participate in the services is wrong. If you would read 1 Corinthians 14:13-19, you would find that St. Paul agrees. However, I do not advocate the removal of Coptic; instead, I thin…
Apinav shopy is said on fasting days instead of alel orban (said after the 41 kirie leysons in the Liturgy of the Word). The seven tunes are said on the feast of nativity, epiphany, and resurrection during matins after the litany of the sick.
If you are using the iCoptic Calendar app, it would say the feast starts Saturday Sep. 29 (Thout 19). This is incorrect. However, if you are using the complete iCoptic app (which is $10), it would say that the feasts starts on Thursday on Thout 17, …
"It is important to note that the feast on 17 Thoout is three days long, while the second feast of 10 Paramhotep is celebrated on that day only. Furthermore, if any of these feasts were to come on a Sunday, the readings for the feast are read instea…
I would also like to add that the aspasmos Adam and aspasmos Watos can be said on the same day because in this case, Adam and Watos refer to tunes only not days- unlike the psali's and verses of cymbals
Imikhail,
So you believe that, if a father sinned, his offspring would be guilty of the sin (not as in they would not suffer as a result, but that they should feel guilty and God would hold it against them)?
Rem,
What do you mean it's not purely Greek when you remove the jenkim? In the Greek language there are none. So why would it not follow the Greek rules (I'm assuming if the entire text is Greek like "agios" for example)
I never said you cannot praise God through His saints. However, the church believes it is improper to praise God indirectly when He is physically present before us. Concerning the hymns during the liturgy (of the word)--Christ is not yet physically …
ReturnOrthodoxy,
Albeir never said glorification could be done during communion. He even mentioned it is incorrect theology to honor saints during the time when Christ is physically present in his recent sermon on the glorification rite. I have no …
I believe most bishops are against it, which makes sense. Think about it. If Christ and St. Mary appeared to you, will you turn and start saying Shere ne Maria? It makes no sense. Therefore, it is more proper for you to focus on Christ since He is p…