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St Timoteus, disciple of St Paul
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[quote author=jsangel_23 link=topic=5961.msg79728#msg79728 date=1196183829] hey guys thanks for all ur replies! but he wants where Jesus claims to be GOD not the son of God. its gonna b hard for me to explain how when Jesus says He is the Son, that …
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The 'obba is the tabernacle, if u look at the rest of the Theotokia. Obviously, St Mary can be compared to the tabernacle because God dwelt in her. ;)
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Shouldn't we make that 3 ;D
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Very interesting indeed. I especially find this part interesting and wonder whether an official objective commentary on this DNA investigation is available. Mr. Wyatt removed a sample of Christ's blood from the crack in the ceiling of the cave and p…
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Dear Orthodox11, I just realised I basically said the same thing as u lol, I didn't read well through all the post ;) The prophecy idea is also interesting, I never thought of it that way.
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All the readings in church books in arabic (the katameros books of all seasons) and the agpeya prayers, and all quotes in hymns and in the Midnight praises are taken from the Coptic translation, and therefore from the Septuagint. and might overcome …
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Dear all, Albair explains in his introduction to the Verses that Vespers is concidered a preparation of the Liturgy, but not a part of the liturgy (remember that we don't necessarely have to pray a Vespers before a liturgy, but we do have to pray M…
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[quote author=His Servant link=topic=5903.msg79167#msg79167 date=1194396476] [quote author=minagir link=topic=5903.msg79162#msg79162 date=1194391933] His Servant and Hos Erof, with all do respect, TILL that source is listed....please don't include A…
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Also lets say sunday was the 29th of the month, not a major feast, then why would vespers be joyous tune? My point is that Vespers MUST follow the rites according to the next day, because vespers isn't a prayer for today, it's for tomorrow. Just lik…
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Strictly speaking Vespers is not part of the liturgy as well if we follow your explanation, simply because we don't pray Vespers before every liturgy (Lent for instance), however we ALWAYS pray matins before a liturgy. So strictly speaking matins is…
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I'd like to see your sources before I (re)-form my opinion. I'm especially interested in the reason why it would be amoini, because logically it doesn't make sense at all. We pray the VESPERS praise in the watos tune, so why would the vespers sudden…
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I think orphadece means that the Midnight praise is supposed to be chanted in the middle of the night, and therefore it's chanted in Adam tune (in the case of the sunday midnight praise). I think we all agree now, I also find the aktonk explanation…
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[quote author=jydeacon link=topic=5911.msg79146#msg79146 date=1194361925] but the bishop is ordained by the pope [/quote] If i'm not mistaking a bisschop is ordained by the laying hands of (at least) 3 bisschops, and they can be any 3 bisschops - n…
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When a monk is ordained a priest, he does receive the sacrament of priesthood, and the same goes for the bisschop. These are all priestly ranks, unlike the monkhood, so a monk who is ordained a priest or a bisschop DID receive the sacrament of pries…
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Amoussa01 said: okay, there seems to be a bit of confusion here. Saturday night tasbeha IS prayed in the adam tune because it is supposed to start at midnight and end on sunday morning, the same goes with all other priases. for example, if i have a …
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We agree ;D but others don't agree with us ;) Looking forward to hear other opinions!
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Okay, fair enough, but that still doesn't explain why we use the Adam mode on a watos day, especially when u consider that the vesper praise (which is connected to the vespers) is to be prayed using the watos tune. This is directed not at you specif…
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Interesting discussion... i've been thinking this over, and came to the following conclusion: The thing that is confusing is that we do pray the Vesper praise in the tune of the actual day, or else we would be praying an adam tasbeha on saturday e…
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Ya, me too. When I read all these posts about theology and dogma's I can't help but wonder where you find all this information. I really want to read more about these subjects, but patristic readings seem like an ocean of information and I have no c…
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Fr Tadros Y. Malaty wrote a lot of good works on many subjects. There's also some good books by HG anba Mattaos concerning the spirituality of the Liturgy/Midnight praises (this is more for copts, because it deals with coptic rites ;)) You can fin…
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Spiritual songs are actually quite modern, most songs were made up the last dozen years, and a good amount of them actually exist in english and other languages (such as french). I don't know why you can't find a lot of audio online, but I do know f…
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i seriously need help because if i died today i wouldnt go to heaven cuz of it+ From everything you said in ur post, this last thing is actually the sentence that disturbed me. There's a tendency among us to believe that sexual sins are graver or wo…
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The rites of Morning Doxology don't EVER change, it is prayed throughout the entire year (festal, annual, lent, kiahk, palmsunday) in its known Adam tune. The only exception for this is Holy Week, starting from Monday untill Holy Friday. You don't p…
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So Abona gave communion to a Jehova Witness, knowing that they are Jehova Witness, just to get rid of a persistent mother? You missed the whole point of the story. The woman went to give her son communion, and this abouna did not know. He then aske…
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I wanted to tell a story about the "reallness" of community. It comes in the film of "el raheb el saher" (the watchfull monk?, he was known for sleeping just 2 or 3 hours every day). Once there was a mother who's son was sick. They were Jehova's Wi…
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I still think we are discussing 2 different things at the same time: -Adjusting the language (translating hymns OR chanting in the native langugae), which we probably all agree on, it should be done according to the needs of the congregation. -Adj…
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Sorry for the confusion, the 9th and 11th and 12th hours are prayed before vespers. I only mentioned the 12 hour in my previous posts because it's the only hour which has many prayers after the troparia (just like the first hour) - which was the poi…
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sorry but i have to disagree with you. I am not saying that i am for changing any hymns. they should stay the way they are. but we are not only egyptains. In the church in washington Dc correct me if i am wrong, it has a diverse amount of people, no…
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Oh yes you are right, but I never meant to say that we don't pray the 12th hour Agpeya. It's just that often people will pray "tafadal ya Rab - Graciously..." and the Trisagion etc etc, while these prayers are to be said during Vespers. So the same…