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+ Irini nem ehmot,
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+ Irini nem ehmot, Read this and this. It shows how the Church teaches that man, before the fall, was mortal but incorruptible (i.e. would not die). Christ died to save us from death (as we say in the Liturgy). So in the case of St. Mary, her natur…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, Thank God, the holy and blessed Apostles, when going out to preach to the nations by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, did not think like you and impose Hebrew culture and the Aramaic language on the Gentile nations. Instead, on t…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, What? Are you trying to be funny?
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+ Irini nem ehmot, No. I meant Coolio's Gangster's Paradise.
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+ Irini nem ehmot, I didn't see anything that would indicate that Fr. Peter implied (or stated) that money is a prerequisite for a mission or mission work. That being said, however, money is certainly a requisite for a mission and mission work. Tha…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, I have to agree. People are overreacting. The only crime this 'music video' is guilty of is sucking. A bunch of no-talent hacks got together and decided to parody Coolio's Gangsta's Paradise (a GREAT song I might add) and parodie…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11962.msg142425#msg142425 date=1312243154] [quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=11962.msg142423#msg142423 date=1312242330] [quote author=Amdah link=topic=11962.msg142386#msg142386 date=1312179201] W…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=ophadece link=topic=11962.msg142414#msg142414 date=1312233365] Dear Cephas, You are serious, aren't you? OK, so Coptic is nearly extinct and it is a dead language? Good to know how you view the different adjectives …
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+ Irini nem ehmot, It is clear to me that you are not reading what I'm saying. [quote author=Meena_Ameen link=topic=9585.msg142412#msg142412 date=1312231746] With all due respect I am not putting words in your mouth. Im assuming you didnt understa…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=ophadece link=topic=11962.msg142407#msg142407 date=1312225011] Dear Cephas, I can see that on the wikipedia page you referred us to, one of the references is about "a Coptic family who still speaks Coptic language" …
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+ Irini nem ehmot, Father bless! No, I understand that there was a sense of what was canon and what wasn't early on. However, there didn't seem to be a need to formally spell it out until much later. Anyway, this is a thread about Hebrews, and Heb…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, I know about St. Athanasius' list from his 39th Paschal letter in 367. It is mentioned in the article I linked to you. As the article I linked to states: The formation of the New Testament canon (A.D. 100-220) The idea of a comp…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, Father bless! I was under the impression that it wasn't until the Council of Carthage in 419AD that a formal canon was laid out. I understand that there were varying opinions of what was viewed as Scripture prior to that point, …
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+ Irini nem ehmot, *sigh* I am growing weary of this back and forth. And for what: a matter of opinion? There have been a number of things that even the Church Fathers have not been unanimous on. Even within our own Oriental Orthodox church, there …
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+ Irini nem ehmot, I am perplexed why this is bothering you so much. This is not a matter of dogma. One's salvation is not dependent on this. When it comes to authorship, it is not important. My faith will not suffer if whoever is supposed to have …
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+ Irini nem ehmot, An apostle would not have read them. They would have been read by whoever the head of the congregation was. Keep in mind, there was no proper church building at this early time. Nor was there a 3 hour liturgy the way we have toda…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11959.msg142372#msg142372 date=1312172456] [quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11959.msg142368#msg142368 date=1312171716] + Irini nem ehmot, If that is what you wish to believe, you are free to. I d…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, Nestorius was also a Patriarch. Not everything a patriarch says is always right. Nor does everything a person who has been excommunicated says incorrect. Look bro, this is an issue of opinion. You think St. Paul composed Hebrews,…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11959.msg142367#msg142367 date=1312171445] [quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11959.msg142365#msg142365 date=1312171116] + Irini nem ehmot, Where is the confusion? I'm not confused. Are you? I'm me…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, If that is what you wish to believe, you are free to. I disagree. For the first 100 years of the church, there were no Gospels and all the Epistles had not been composed. For the next 300 years, no formal canon was set up. Yet th…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, Where is the confusion? I'm not confused. Are you? I'm merely saying that I personally do not feel that St. Paul composed Hebrews. I'm not sure why this is necessarily an issue. This is not a matter of dogma. A person will not r…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=9585.msg142362#msg142362 date=1312170527] [quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=9585.msg142319#msg142319 date=1312147903] + Irini nem ehmot, Perhaps. However, you can agree that St. Mary was full of Gr…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, Authorship of the Epistle to the Hebrews Internal anonymity The text as it has been passed down to the present time is internally anonymous, though ancient title headings attribute it to the Apostle Paul. The Epistle to the Hebr…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, Eusebius' Church History (Book III) Chapter 3. The Epistles of the Apostles. 1. One epistle of Peter, that called the first, is acknowledged as genuine. And this the ancient elders used freely in their own writings as an undisp…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, imikhail, While I appreciate your input, I have noted earlier that there has been debate about the authorship of Hebrews for the first 4 centuries of the Church. I know that both Sts. John Chrysostom and Athanasius attribute Heb…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11959.msg142354#msg142354 date=1312168832] Cephas, do you also believe that the ending of the Gospel of St. Mark was added by someone else? [/quote] I do. I take it you don't.
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11959.msg142352#msg142352 date=1312168015] [quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11959.msg142346#msg142346 date=1312165743] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11959.msg142345#msg14234…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11959.msg142342#msg142342 date=1312164432] Did it sound like a joke? If something sounds stupid to you, say it sounds stupid. But don't ask me if I was joking. [/quote] I was giving you the ben…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11959.msg142345#msg142345 date=1312165641] [quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11959.msg142320#msg142320 date=1312147977] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11959.msg142311#msg14231…